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]]></description><link>https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/s/institutionalized-podcast</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!R4Qz!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc28154cb-0bde-45d7-b515-a153b8fab650_1080x1080.png</url><title>Hacking Narcissism: Institutionalized Podcast</title><link>https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/s/institutionalized-podcast</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 20 May 2026 15:49:16 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Nathalie Martinek PhD]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[hackingnarcissism@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[hackingnarcissism@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Nathalie Martinek PhD]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Nathalie Martinek PhD]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[hackingnarcissism@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[hackingnarcissism@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Nathalie Martinek PhD]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[An industry-specific look at toxic workplaces]]></title><description><![CDATA[Listen now | Episode 2: Burnout, moral injury, meritocracy and everything nice.]]></description><link>https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/an-industry-specific-look-at-toxic</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/an-industry-specific-look-at-toxic</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathalie Martinek PhD]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2022 16:29:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/62145256/14250832bf93050b0277d2e52a03755a.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/an-industry-specific-look-at-toxic/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/an-industry-specific-look-at-toxic/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p></p><p><strong>Welcome to Institutionalized </strong>- a podcast and ongoing conversation between <a href="https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/">Dr. Jordan Schaul</a> and myself that is hosted on <a href="https://firesidechat.com/">Fireside Chat App</a>. We discuss the forces that have contributed to the burnout epidemic, workplace trauma, chronic low morale that are now manifesting as the Great Resignation.</p><p>We dissect the acculturation process we all undergo into organizations and institutions to embody the ideal attributes that will enable us to survive and supposedly thrive, and the impact this process has on wellbeing that cannot be fixed or <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/toxic?s=w">be made resilient in these institutional contexts</a>. </p><div class="embedded-post-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;id&quot;:55016277,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/institutionalized-a-podcast-about&quot;,&quot;publication_id&quot;:412790,&quot;publication_name&quot;:&quot;Hacking Narcissism&quot;,&quot;publication_logo_url&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Institutionalized: A podcast about the cons of organizational socialization&quot;,&quot;truncated_body_text&quot;:&quot;Listen now (59 min) | Welcome to Institutionalized - a podcast and ongoing conversation between Dr. Jordan Schaul and myself that is hosted on Fireside Chat App. We discuss the forces that have contributed to the burnout epidemic, workplace trauma, chronic low morale that are now manifesting as the Great Resignation.&quot;,&quot;date&quot;:&quot;2022-05-17T04:12:35.042Z&quot;,&quot;like_count&quot;:6,&quot;comment_count&quot;:2,&quot;bylines&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:16402226,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Nathalie Martinek PhD&quot;,&quot;previous_name&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c78f3b99-738a-44e2-a978-1cb9d3f2fd25_900x995.png&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Everything you want to know about power, control and hacking narcissism.\nRelationships, communication, power dynamics and institutional cultures.&quot;,&quot;profile_set_up_at&quot;:&quot;2021-07-20T14:53:20.631Z&quot;,&quot;publicationUsers&quot;:[{&quot;id&quot;:337652,&quot;user_id&quot;:16402226,&quot;publication_id&quot;:412790,&quot;role&quot;:&quot;admin&quot;,&quot;public&quot;:true,&quot;is_primary&quot;:false,&quot;publication&quot;:{&quot;id&quot;:412790,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Hacking Narcissism&quot;,&quot;subdomain&quot;:&quot;nathaliemartinekphd&quot;,&quot;custom_domain&quot;:null,&quot;custom_domain_optional&quot;:false,&quot;hero_text&quot;:&quot;Everything about power, control and hacking narcissism - relationships, communication, power dynamics and institutional cultures.&quot;,&quot;logo_url&quot;:null,&quot;author_id&quot;:16402226,&quot;theme_var_background_pop&quot;:&quot;#45D800&quot;,&quot;created_at&quot;:&quot;2021-07-17T04:17:12.019Z&quot;,&quot;rss_website_url&quot;:null,&quot;email_from_name&quot;:null,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;Nathalie Martinek PhD&quot;,&quot;founding_plan_name&quot;:&quot;Founding Member&quot;,&quot;community_enabled&quot;:true,&quot;invite_only&quot;:false}}],&quot;twitter_screen_name&quot;:&quot;NatsforDocs&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:false},{&quot;id&quot;:49514455,&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Jordan Schaul PhD&quot;,&quot;previous_name&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/71359990-0602-4a6b-beba-7771224159e0_1856x1456.png&quot;,&quot;bio&quot;:&quot;Trained in psychology and biology, Jordan served as a regular contributor to Nat Geo Voices, The Dodo &amp; HuffPost. He covers a diverse array of topics from wildlife conservation to organizational behavior. &quot;,&quot;profile_set_up_at&quot;:&quot;2021-09-28T23:53:23.380Z&quot;,&quot;is_guest&quot;:true,&quot;primaryPublicationName&quot;:&quot;The Accidental Science Writer &quot;,&quot;primaryPublicationUrl&quot;:&quot;https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com&quot;,&quot;primaryPublicationSubscribeUrl&quot;:&quot;https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;}],&quot;utm_campaign&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;,&quot;source&quot;:null}" data-component-name="EmbeddedPostToDOM"><a class="embedded-post" native="true" href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/institutionalized-a-podcast-about?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_campaign=post_embed&amp;utm_medium=web"><div class="embedded-post-header"><span></span><span class="embedded-post-publication-name">Hacking Narcissism</span></div><div class="embedded-post-title-wrapper"><div class="embedded-post-title">Institutionalized: A podcast about the cons of organizational socialization</div></div><div class="embedded-post-body">Listen now (59 min) | Welcome to Institutionalized - a podcast and ongoing conversation between Dr. Jordan Schaul and myself that is hosted on Fireside Chat App. We discuss the forces that have contributed to the burnout epidemic, workplace trauma, chronic low morale that are now manifesting as the Great Resignation&#8230;</div><div class="embedded-post-cta-wrapper"><span class="embedded-post-cta">Read more</span></div><div class="embedded-post-meta">4 years ago &#183; 6 likes &#183; 2 comments &#183; Nathalie Martinek PhD and Jordan Schaul PhD</div></a></div><p>In this episode, we take a look at several industries such civil service, academia, medicine, healthcare and veterinary science.</p><h3><strong>We cover topics such as:</strong></h3><ul><li><p>Merit vs nepotism</p></li><li><p>The rise of Chief Wellbeing Officers</p></li><li><p><a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/from-pet-to-threat-to-disgraced">Pet to Threat phenomenon</a></p></li><li><p>Burnout, <a href="https://issuu.com/saemonline/docs/saem_pulse_mar-apr_21/38">Moral injury</a> as the burnout de jour and why this is problematic</p></li><li><p>Assimilation, assimilation trauma &amp; professional identity</p></li><li><p>Institutional messaging that give us all the wrong impression of what we&#8217;ll experience on the inside.</p><p></p></li></ul><p>This is an example of one of the things you&#8217;ll be hearing in the recording.</p><blockquote><p><strong>About Chief Wellbeing Officers:</strong></p><p><em>&#8220;&#8230;the ones being appointed to these well officer roles are often someone internal. Someone that's trusted who has demonstrated a level of care, compassion, initiative and are keen to create the so-called change.<br>But if they're the <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/dfs#details">golden child</a> of the institution, how effective would they actually be at creating change when what they've been doing to get themselves recognition is complying or behaving according to these preferred or idealized values of that institution.&#8221;</em></p><p><em>'&#8220;&#8230;someone who embodies the ideals of an institution<br>might be able to support some change, but it's not in their best interest to support change because whatever they've been doing has been working to their advantage. So there's no real incentive to change anything about the system.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p></p><p>We also briefly discuss the new concept known as <strong><a href="https://psyarxiv.com/v247p/">assimilation trauma</a></strong>. I developed <a href="https://twitter.com/NatsforDocs/status/1312915270558601216?s=20&amp;t=er_XfHhcki5zLK7iFTs7HA">this concept years ago</a> to fill in the gaps within the physician and workplace burnout literature and &#8216;wellness&#8217; initiatives and imposter syndrome. The constellation of symptoms resemble trauma responses more than the consequences of poor work/life balance, inefficiencies, imposter syndrome or resilience deficits, terms that have been used to gaslight us all. Since then, I teamed up with my co-liberator and friend <a href="https://twitter.com/RupiLegha">Dr. Rupi Legha</a> to confront and challenge the foundation of what has been perceived as a noble profession rather than an abusive system in our upcoming publication in BMJ Medical Humanities. We don&#8217;t hold back and we promise this piece is challenging and fierce.</p><p><strong><a href="https://psyarxiv.com/v247p/">You can access the pre-print HERE</a>.</strong></p><p>This work aims to acknowledge how EVERY trainee is detrimentally impacted through the iterative assimilation process we detail in the paper and that we&#8217;ve all be gaslit to believe burnout is the cause of deep suffering rather than the toxic training culture and its representative authorities who transmit its attitudes, norms and behaviours. If a training or workplace culture had a personality, it could easily fit the description of narcissistic traits described in my earlier pieces found <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/13-ways-to-spot-a-narcissistic-person">here</a>, <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/13-ways-to-spot-covert-narcissism">here</a> and <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/detecting-narcissistic-behaviour">here</a> that form an oppressive to abusive relationship with trainees. If you want to take it further, you can even draw parallels between a dysfunctional family described <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/dfs#details">here</a> and the medical training community to work out who is the most to least assimilated in the family. It&#8217;s a fascinating yet confronting read. </p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/an-industry-specific-look-at-toxic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/an-industry-specific-look-at-toxic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><p>Finally, my collaborator in the Institutionalized podcast, Dr. Jordan Schaul, also shares about a form of narcissism, called saviourism, prevalent in animal rights activism and in animal conservation efforts in his <a href="https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/p/narcissism-in-the-guise-of-animal">latest piece.</a> You can draw parallels as well to other types of activism that feature the traits he describes <a href="https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/p/narcissism-in-the-guise-of-animal">here</a>. His work challenges us to consider how we &#8216;do&#8217; justice work that is ethical and takes a precautionary approach to prevent unintended harms, whether in the human or animal kingdom. </p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/p/narcissism-in-the-guise-of-animal&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe to Dr. Jordan's Substack&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/p/narcissism-in-the-guise-of-animal"><span>Subscribe to Dr. Jordan's Substack</span></a></p><p></p><p>In our <strong>next episode</strong>, we interview the amazing <strong><a href="https://www.nadinemacaluso.com/wolf-of-wall-street-ex-wife-prominent-therapist-opens-ny-private-practice/">Dr. Nadine Macaluso</a></strong>, who was once married to the infamous Wolf of Wall Street, Jordan Belfort about the investment banking industry and its dark triad traits held within its toxic culture. Subscribe so you can listen in as soon as the episode drops.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p></p><p><strong>Thank you for listening, reading and supporting this work,</strong></p><p><strong>Nathalie Martinek, PhD</strong></p><p><strong>The Narcissism Hacker</strong></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Institutionalized: A podcast about the cons of organizational socialization]]></title><description><![CDATA[Listen now | with Dr. Nathalie Martinek & Dr. Jordan Schaul]]></description><link>https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/institutionalized-a-podcast-about</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/institutionalized-a-podcast-about</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathalie Martinek PhD]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2022 04:12:35 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/55016277/8ecfc55aa7a58d73269d8b8832a754d5.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Welcome to Institutionalized </strong>- a podcast and ongoing conversation between <a href="https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/">Dr. Jordan Schaul</a> and myself that is hosted on <a href="https://firesidechat.com/">Fireside Chat App</a>. We discuss the forces that have contributed to the burnout epidemic, workplace trauma, chronic low morale that are now manifesting as the Great Resignation.</p><p>We dissect the acculturation process we all undergo into organizations and institutions to embody the ideal attributes that will enable us to survive and supposedly thrive, and the impact this process has on wellbeing that cannot be fixed or <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/toxic?s=w">be made resilient in these institutional contexts</a>.</p><p>Dr. Jordan Schaul describes <a href="https://drjordancarltonschaul.substack.com/p/institutionalized-understanding-the?s=r">why we need to have conversations</a> about institutionalization and our need to scrutinize organizational cultures and its practices that prevent each of us from truly flourishing in these environments.</p><p>We will also be describing <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/13-ways-to-spot-a-narcissistic-person">narcissistic leaders</a>, <a href="https://nathaliemartinekphd.substack.com/p/knowledgevampires?s=w">narcissistic colleagues</a> and narcissistic institutions and the ideal conditions for bullies to thrive.</p><p><strong>We bring our own experiences of institutionalization AND de-institutionalizing</strong>. We also share our learning from helping people across multiple industries to navigate the symptoms of institutionalization, increasing tolerance to uncertainty and the unknown, the conflicts that occur when one is getting ready to leave their organisation or career path, and the recovery process after departure.</p><p><strong>In this introductory episode we touch on:</strong></p><ul><li><p>What we mean by institutionalization</p></li><li><p>How it happens</p></li><li><p>The psychosocial  and mental health impacts</p></li><li><p>Transition </p></li><li><p>Recovery</p></li></ul><p>We will also speak with public figures who turned their backs on success in their industry in search of fulfillment, without the burnout.</p><p>We&#8217;re learning about the art and science of podcasting as we go. You can help us by hitting the &#8216;leave a comment' button to share feedback about the content and questions that you&#8217;d like us to discuss in our future conversations.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/institutionalized-a-podcast-about/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/institutionalized-a-podcast-about/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p>Thank you for listening. We hope you enjoyed the conversation and look out for more!</p><p><strong>Nathalie Martinek, PhD and Jordan Schaul, PhD</strong></p><p><strong>The Narcissism Hacker and The Accidental Science Writer</strong></p><p></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>