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John Horwitz's avatar

In so many instances the vaunted salvation (of women) comes from ditching the current partner and seeking a new one in the confines of a bar. Can someone please explain how going from one bad situation to another is truly what anyone would desire?

Nathalie Martinek PhD's avatar

The grass is always greener. I speculated about what's going on for many women based on my own experience (and of not leaving my husband for a fantasy).

https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/marriage and here: https://www.hackingnarcissism.com/p/identityloss

Steersman's avatar

👍 Reminds me of Camille Paglia's quip that if civilization had been left in women's hands we'd still be living in grass huts. Though maybe better off for it, one of my patron saints having argued that civilization hasn't really enlightened mankind -- much in any case, only "implemented him".

Though I'm also reminded of a quip by or about a woman, my kind of gal, who says that a hard man is good to find ... Although, now that I'm 93 (or pushing it), I don't give a damn, you see ... 😉🙂

Nathalie Martinek PhD's avatar

I'm thrilled to read your comment. My perceptions of women at the tender age of 50 would be different to yours, though I agree that our englightenment seems to be stalled despite 'progress'.

Steersman's avatar

👍 Thanks muchly. Though I hear something of an echo, or maybe something from the peanut gallery ..., that my comments were maybe less than flattering. Or something from those easily flattered and offended.

But that reminds me of a kind of famous parable about a fox seeing a crow in a tree with a bit of cheese in its mouth and who asked to hear the crow sing -- crows not being noted for their "dulcet" tones, although crows of different sexes might think otherwise, but copious amounts of flattery caused the crow to try doing so which led to the dropping of the cheese. News at 11 ... 😉🙂

But not sure that women are any more susceptible to that than men are -- "vanity, vanity, all is vanity saith the preacher" -- but they seem more often taken to task for it, at least somewhat unfairly.

But a lovely phrase there in your "hacking narcissism" -- got my vote, where do I sign up? Tell me more! 👍😉🙂 Definitely a puzzle, something of a rather deep rabbit hole, but one of more than passing relevance and import these days.

Though, en passant and apropos of which, that reminds me of a couple of posts from UK feminist "philosopher" Jane Clare Jones, one of whose posts featured some commentary on the Greek myth of Narcissus and Echo. Although Jane seems to have cropped the picture to hide Echo who seems a rather important, if not an essential, part of the story -- arguably, or not, someone who might rescue Narcissus from his illusion/delusion -- of particular relevance to the transwomen who were largely the focus of Jane's epistle:

https://janeclarejones.com/2019/06/04/a-dialogue-between-a-trans-woman-and-a-feminist-who-isnt-just-a-figment-of-the-trans-womans-mind/

ETA: Though a bit of a fly or two in Jone's "ointment", in what she's peddling herself, since she's blocked me:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!gLs0!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa3377247-8ac6-4e0b-acf6-c18feb9ff721_714x605.jpeg

Note my "Steersman" icon over in the left column at the bottom, just above the purple plus sign; something in the way of a smoking gun type of proof that she's blocked me.

But I doubt she would be terribly keen to read your latest -- your probably trenchant criticisms of much of feminism; Kathleen Stock argues, not without plenty of justification, that feminism is in serious need of a reboot, maybe into the next galaxy -- as she's something of a doctrinaire feminist herself, and brooks no challenges to her own articles of faith. But I'll have to delve a bit further into your own epistle. Will try to keep you posted as to what I find ... 😉👍🙂